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腐勒季终访谈片段

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果然看剧还是不能没有腐勒爸爸的解说啊~随着第三季的结束,腐勒的最后一点节操终于也随着大西洋的海水一起去了。以下是他为HITFLIX网站做的独家访谈,我挑了最劲爆的部分翻译出来,大家同乐~(被做成菜




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Why does Will, to your mind, pull Hannibal off the cliff. Is it what Bedelia said about how he can't live with him or without him, so they have to go down together?


Bryan Fuller: Essentially, the conclusion of the season really started very early in the Italian chapter of the story, where Will is admitting if he doesn't kill Hannibal Lecter, he has the potential to become him. Then he escapes that trajectory with Hannibal being institutionalized, and finding a family, and once being exposed to the heroin needle again, as it were, he's realizing how much of an addict he actually is, but is aware enough to know, and to start making moves toward his previous goal of ending Hannibal. And he's willing to do what it takes. Bedelia says, "Can't live with him, can't live without him." It's not necessary for him to survive this, in order to accomplish what he needs to accomplish. There's something so fated about that final act of Will's. And also, the awareness of this is perhaps the best solution for both of them.


在你看来,为什么威尔会把汉尼拔拉下悬崖?这是否就是比迪丽娅说的,他即不能与他共生,又无法独活,因此他们必须同归于尽?


富勒:扼要地说,这一季的结局早在意大利篇时就开始了,那时威尔承认若是他不杀了汉尼拔,就便有可能会成为对方。汉尼拔入狱后他逃脱了那个走向,找到了一个家庭。当他再度接触到海洛因针管——事实如此——之后,他认识到自己是多么大的一个瘾君子,但同时他又足够清醒,而开始着手实现自己之前的目标——终结汉尼拔。比迪丽娅说“不能与他共生,又无法独活。”对他来说为了完成他必须完成的事,生还与否并不重要。威尔最后的动作里有着什么非常命中注定的部分。而明白这一点,或许就是对他们来说最好的结果了。



Hannibal looks so happy when Will is embracing him. Does he know what's going to happen next, or is he thrown for a loop when they go over the cliff? 


Bryan Fuller: I think Hannibal is thrown for a loop when they go over. In that final scene between them, it was Hugh Dancy and I talking about what those last moments that we see of Hannibal and Will in the series on NBC, how they need to connect, and yet Will can't totally surrender to Hannibal, because he's still Will Graham and still a human being, but he also knows that it's going to be very difficult to go back to his family life, seeing his wife murdered over and over again in his mind every time that he looks at her. Any possibility of a relationship that could save him from Hannibal Lecter seems dimmer and dimmer in his mind, that it is acceptable to him that he not survive.


威尔拥抱他时,汉尼拔看起来是如此幸福。他知道之后将会发生什么吗?还是说掉下悬崖这件事对他来说是个晴天霹雳?


腐勒:我觉得他俩掉下去这事对汉尼拔来说是个晴天霹雳。他们最后的场景,其实是休·丹西和我谈过的、通过整个系列中的汉尼拔和威尔、我们所看到的最后的景象。他们是如此需要彼此相连,但威尔却无法彻底降伏于汉尼拔,因为他仍然是威尔·格雷厄姆、仍然是一个人类。可他也知道重返家庭生活对他来说是难上加难,每次看着妻子,他就会一遍遍看到她被谋杀的惨状。在他的意识里,依靠一段人际关系来将他从汉尼拔身边拯救的可能性越来越小,对他来说,无法生还完全是可以接受的。



You've talked about this relationship in romantic terms. Bedelia makes that even more explicit in some of her conversations with both men this season. Was there any thought given to having them do more than embrace at the end, or would that in some way be diminishing the very unique and strange nature of their relationship? 


Bryan Fuller: Mads and Hugh, there were a lot of takes where they got very intimate, and lips were hovering over lips. I definitely had the footage to go there, because Mads and Hugh were so game. They called me and warned me: "We really went for it!" And then I saw the dailies, I thought there was a fine line from that #Hannigraham fan fiction motive to give the hardcore audience exactly what they want in terms of this actually being a homosexual relationship between these two men, and what is authentic for the characters in that final moment. I mean, it's not "Brokeback Mountain." Mads isn't gonna be spitting on his hand and getting to work. (laughs) We felt we had to keep it genuine to the tone of the relationship as we've been telling it in the series, and even in that moment when Will asks if Hannibal is in love with him, and Bedelia says, "Of course he is, ya big queen!" Even in that moment, it's not quite dipping into the physical passions that would be the case if they were both homosexual. But I feel one is ominisexual and one is heterosexual and there's a lot of influence going back and forth, who knows with a six pack of beer what would happen.


你曾经用浪漫相关的词汇描述过这段关系。比迪丽娅在她跟这两个男人分别的对话中让它显得更加露骨。你们想过要让他俩在最后做点比拥抱更多的事吗?还是说这样就会破坏他们之间这种非常独特又奇异的关系?


腐勒:麦兹和休。在很多个take里他俩都搞得非常亲密,嘴唇在嘴唇上方停留。我手里绝对有那种程度的拍摄片段,因为麦兹和休实在太合作了。他俩给我打电话警告说:“我们真的放开了演的哦!”然后当我看到当天的拍摄时,我觉得那里有一条细细的分界线,隔开了“一部hannigram同人小说会给死忠粉们想要的东西,也就是让这两个男人之间的关系真的变成同性爱”,和“在最后的时间里角色身上真正存在的东西”。我的意思是,这可不是《断背山》。麦兹可不会在手心吐口唾沫就这么上了。(笑)我们觉得必须要让这段关系的基调和我们一直以来讲述的保持一致,就算是在威尔问比迪丽娅汉尼拔是否爱他,而比迪丽娅回答“当然啦,你这大小姐!”的时候。即使在那个时候,这段关系也没有怎么倾向去他俩都是同性恋时会发生的那种肉体激情。但我感觉吧,一个是泛性恋,一个是异性恋,彼此相互影响了那么久,谁知道酒过三巡之后会发生什么。




Speaking of Bedelia, the series' final image isn't them going off the cliff, but Bedelia waiting to serve a guest who is never going to come. How did you decide that was the image you wanted to end it on.  


Bryan Fuller: Well, that's a really interesting interpretation of the scene. You think she cut off her own leg and is going to serve it to somebody?


说到比迪丽娅,整部剧的最后一个镜头不是那两人掉下悬崖,而是比迪丽娅等着一位永远不会出现的客人。你是如何决定用它作为最后一幕的。


腐勒:噢,这可真是有趣的理解。你认为她是自己切了一条腿然后要给什么人吃吗?



She seems as if she is throwing a dinner party. 


Bryan Fuller: (laughs) No, that's our little nod to the audience that perhaps Hanibal could have survived that cliff dive. She's sitting at the table with her leg on the table and she's looking absolutely terrified, and she grabs the fork and hides it under her napkin and waits for whoever's going to return. This woman still has some fight in her. We don't know if Hannibal is indeed serving her her leg, or is it Hannibal's uncle Robertus, or Lady Murasaki, or is it Will Graham?


她看起来像是要举办一场晚宴


腐勒:(笑)不,那其实是我们对观众的一个小暗示,或许汉尼拔在坠崖之后活下来了。她坐在桌前,上面是自己的一条腿,而她看起来怕得魂不附体。她拿起一把叉子,藏在餐巾下面,等着将要回来的人。这位女性仍然没有放弃。我们不知道汉尼拔是否真的会把她的腿给她吃,还是给汉尼拔的叔叔罗伯特,还是紫夫人,又或者是威尔·格雷厄姆?



So it was just your tease for the possibility of more?


Bryan Fuller: Yes. But I love your interpretation! (laughs) I love the thought that she's thinking, "Fuck! I cut off my leg for no reason!"


所以那只是你对后续可能性的一个小诱惑?


腐勒:是的。不过我喜欢你的理解!(笑)她想着“艹!我白砍大腿了!”我喜欢这想法!



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